Comments on: The long dark tunnel http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/ Learning mainly Fri, 23 Sep 2011 06:15:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Luis Suarez http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-9777 Luis Suarez Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:25:47 +0000 http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/#comment-9777 Hi Derek! Thanks a lot for the follow up and for the kind comments. Like I said, not very technical myself, but working on some further improvements, including the same upgrade to 2.5, although perhaps I may wait for 2.5.1 or 2 to come along ;-) heh Appreciated the feedback on the latest blog post. It surely was rather encouraging to see how little by little, but steadily the conversations are shifting. And on the scanning, I agree with you. You would be amazed as to how much scanning and filtering we do to just get to digest what we need. Reason why I keep that count exact was part of an exercise I did with a fellow colleague where he believed he wasn't getting too much stuff. In the end, we both counted our interactions from online interactions and he even had many more than myself! Fascinating, since he was able to manage it all quite all right, too! So I am not the only one trying to cope with it. I think it is crucial the kind of routine you build up, for sure. Perhaps I will detail some more of them as time goes by. We shall see. PS. Cocomment is a Web 2.0 app. that allows you and anyone else to track your online activity through a single Web site where all of your comments are stored and tagged. Pretty powerful and very helpful if you get to comment on people's blog posts quite a bit. Hope that helps. Hi Derek! Thanks a lot for the follow up and for the kind comments. Like I said, not very technical myself, but working on some further improvements, including the same upgrade to 2.5, although perhaps I may wait for 2.5.1 or 2 to come along ;-) heh

Appreciated the feedback on the latest blog post. It surely was rather encouraging to see how little by little, but steadily the conversations are shifting. And on the scanning, I agree with you. You would be amazed as to how much scanning and filtering we do to just get to digest what we need. Reason why I keep that count exact was part of an exercise I did with a fellow colleague where he believed he wasn’t getting too much stuff. In the end, we both counted our interactions from online interactions and he even had many more than myself! Fascinating, since he was able to manage it all quite all right, too! So I am not the only one trying to cope with it. I think it is crucial the kind of routine you build up, for sure. Perhaps I will detail some more of them as time goes by. We shall see.

PS. Cocomment is a Web 2.0 app. that allows you and anyone else to track your online activity through a single Web site where all of your comments are stored and tagged. Pretty powerful and very helpful if you get to comment on people’s blog posts quite a bit. Hope that helps.

]]> By: Chirnside Derek http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-9776 Chirnside Derek Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:43:06 +0000 http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/#comment-9776 >Luis, Cool, good to see your latest update :-) Re Blog: OK, cool, I am not really tekky either, and I know this blog is not masterpiece, I'm just getting ready to upgrade to WP 2.5. Re scanning. I may ask some more about this - I actually did a count yesterday of how many things I touched on in one session with list e-mails, bloglines and following up on a few e-mails from friends, plus online news paper. it was much more than I thought. >John. Hmm. I have 40 plus folders like "Future Reference", but I still have to use search, I enjoy the filing act, I'm pretty cavalier about it - maybe it is an illusion. But I do actually go back sometimes to get stuff. And I'm now down to three others: *Follow up, *recent past, *this year. But as I said, roll on tags!! I haven't a clue what CoComment is, but I am sure I can fnd out . . . - Derek >Luis, Cool, good to see your latest update :-)
Re Blog: OK, cool, I am not really tekky either, and I know this blog is not masterpiece, I’m just getting ready to upgrade to WP 2.5.
Re scanning. I may ask some more about this – I actually did a count yesterday of how many things I touched on in one session with list e-mails, bloglines and following up on a few e-mails from friends, plus online news paper. it was much more than I thought.

>John. Hmm. I have 40 plus folders like “Future Reference”, but I still have to use search, I enjoy the filing act, I’m pretty cavalier about it – maybe it is an illusion. But I do actually go back sometimes to get stuff. And I’m now down to three others: *Follow up, *recent past, *this year.
But as I said, roll on tags!!
I haven’t a clue what CoComment is, but I am sure I can fnd out . . . – Derek

]]> By: John Smart http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-9768 John Smart Tue, 01 Apr 2008 17:08:31 +0000 http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/#comment-9768 @2: I had a problem re wanting to put emails in multiple folders too... but then I realized that I search for individual emails via an All Documents view anyway (if you use Outlook, you have to build a search for this instead. :-/ ); the only thing I use folders for is for review and I don't need expirable emails for review anyway. Clutter removed! For me, the drawback was actually an advantage in disguise. @2: I had a problem re wanting to put emails in multiple folders too… but then I realized that I search for individual emails via an All Documents view anyway (if you use Outlook, you have to build a search for this instead. :-/ ); the only thing I use folders for is for review and I don’t need expirable emails for review anyway. Clutter removed! For me, the drawback was actually an advantage in disguise.

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]]> By: Luis Suarez http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-9760 Luis Suarez Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:39:47 +0000 http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/#comment-9760 Hi Derek! Thanks a lot for the good feedback, both on what I am trying to do with this experiment of fighting e-mail, as well as the candid input on the blog template I am using. I do hope that people don't go to the blog or subscribe to it just because of how it looks like, because then we have got a problem, I can imagine. I am not Web designer, in fact, not technical at all, so your feedback is fantastic as it is giving me lots of good input to help fix each of those issues you mentioned above. So thanks a lot for that! It is greatly appreciated. (I will be passing your comments to the folks who developed it a while ago and see what they have got to say) w.r.t. the comments on the experiment of fighting work related e-mail, I see you have found the original blog post that got everything started. This particular search, http://www.elsua.net/?s=giving+up+on+e-mail, would allow you to keep up with future posts and also the ones I have shared thus far on the topic. The overall experiment is going rather well, as you may well have seen all along since I got started. In fact, in yesterday's blog post you would be able to see a relevant business case that one of my readers put together on it on potential cost savings by simply walking away from e-mail. Worth while a read for those folks interested. RE: "I cannot believe he scans 2500 posts a morning. What is 'scan'? @ 5seconds a post that is (umm) 2 hours - my browser is too slow for that!!" > I guess the time you spend at work processing your work related e-mail is the time I use to hang out in social software sites. My time on e-mail these days is very very minimal, perhaps not even an hour a day, since most of it is going elsewhere. So that helps me free up time to quickly scan, filter, select what I want to read and save for later time to link to it perhaps in future blog posts. Most feed readers, currently using Vienna on the Mac, are pretty fast at allowing you to do those quick scans to just retain what you need, and bookmark it elsewhere (In my case Ma.gnolia), and delete everything else you don't need. Believe me, when you free up yourself from e-mail you will see how easy it is to catch up with those 2,500 items. Oh, and I know there are folks out there who get process nearly double the amount I mentioned in that entry! And still get the job done! The key? Building up and sticking with a routine that suits you. Mine is to walk e-mail. Not sure what yours is, but you may have something you would be already looking into, if not applying altogether! Oh, and I look forward to your take on that Twitter blog post I did last week :-) Thanks again! Hi Derek! Thanks a lot for the good feedback, both on what I am trying to do with this experiment of fighting e-mail, as well as the candid input on the blog template I am using. I do hope that people don’t go to the blog or subscribe to it just because of how it looks like, because then we have got a problem, I can imagine. I am not Web designer, in fact, not technical at all, so your feedback is fantastic as it is giving me lots of good input to help fix each of those issues you mentioned above. So thanks a lot for that! It is greatly appreciated. (I will be passing your comments to the folks who developed it a while ago and see what they have got to say)

w.r.t. the comments on the experiment of fighting work related e-mail, I see you have found the original blog post that got everything started. This particular search, http://www.elsua.net/?s=giving+up+on+e-mail, would allow you to keep up with future posts and also the ones I have shared thus far on the topic.

The overall experiment is going rather well, as you may well have seen all along since I got started. In fact, in yesterday’s blog post you would be able to see a relevant business case that one of my readers put together on it on potential cost savings by simply walking away from e-mail. Worth while a read for those folks interested.

RE: “I cannot believe he scans 2500 posts a morning. What is ‘scan’? @ 5seconds a post that is (umm) 2 hours – my browser is too slow for that!!” > I guess the time you spend at work processing your work related e-mail is the time I use to hang out in social software sites. My time on e-mail these days is very very minimal, perhaps not even an hour a day, since most of it is going elsewhere. So that helps me free up time to quickly scan, filter, select what I want to read and save for later time to link to it perhaps in future blog posts.

Most feed readers, currently using Vienna on the Mac, are pretty fast at allowing you to do those quick scans to just retain what you need, and bookmark it elsewhere (In my case Ma.gnolia), and delete everything else you don’t need. Believe me, when you free up yourself from e-mail you will see how easy it is to catch up with those 2,500 items. Oh, and I know there are folks out there who get process nearly double the amount I mentioned in that entry! And still get the job done! The key? Building up and sticking with a routine that suits you. Mine is to walk e-mail. Not sure what yours is, but you may have something you would be already looking into, if not applying altogether!

Oh, and I look forward to your take on that Twitter blog post I did last week :-)

Thanks again!

]]> By: Chirnside Derek http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-9759 Chirnside Derek Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:25:00 +0000 http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/#comment-9759 Cool John!! I wonder if I am that organisable. My problem is that some e-mails fit into several categories . . . and I know I also am a pack rat. I was interested in your comments on <a href="http://www.elsua.net/2008/02/15/a-refreshing-new-way-of-collaborating-and-sharing-knowledge-giving-up-on-e-mail-part-i/" rel="nofollow"> Luis's blog</a>. He does have an interesting situation, some cool tools. I will await this Friday with interest to see how he is going. I cannot believe he scans 2500 posts a morning. :-) What is 'scan'? @ 5seconds a post that is (umm) 2 hours - my browser is too slow for that!! Cool John!! I wonder if I am that organisable. My problem is that some e-mails fit into several categories . . . and I know I also am a pack rat.

I was interested in your comments on Luis’s blog. He does have an interesting situation, some cool tools. I will await this Friday with interest to see how he is going.
I cannot believe he scans 2500 posts a morning. :-) What is ‘scan’? @ 5seconds a post that is (umm) 2 hours – my browser is too slow for that!!

]]> By: John Smart http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/comment-page-1/#comment-9758 John Smart Mon, 31 Mar 2008 16:24:21 +0000 http://lits.gen.nz/2008/04/01/the-long-dark-tunnel/#comment-9758 Re email, I also have folders for E01, E04, E07, and E10. These are abbreviations for "Expires in January", "Expires in April", "Expires in July", and "Expires in October". This allows me to bargain with the "Oh but I might need that email!" part of me. I'm a recovering packrat, and if I can't bring myself to delete email upon reading them, but know I don't want to keep them for years, I file them into these folders, and then on the correct months, delete everything in the folder. (P.S. I LOVE the "email me the comments to this post" option, but please consider coComment, too.) Re email, I also have folders for E01, E04, E07, and E10. These are abbreviations for “Expires in January”, “Expires in April”, “Expires in July”, and “Expires in October”.

This allows me to bargain with the “Oh but I might need that email!” part of me. I’m a recovering packrat, and if I can’t bring myself to delete email upon reading them, but know I don’t want to keep them for years, I file them into these folders, and then on the correct months, delete everything in the folder.

(P.S. I LOVE the “email me the comments to this post” option, but please consider coComment, too.)

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